Elected Police Commissioners May Let In The BNP - Says Rob Flello MP For Stoke-on-Trent South

Rob Flello is talking utter balderdash of course. A very good scare story, but very little more than that.

Its all in the electoral areas that are to return these so called police 'commissioners'. The liklihood of somewhere like Stoke voting for a BNP police commissioner is minute in itself-presumably the election will be held on FPTP electoral system under which the BNP have never achieved anything like a majority accross the city.
But of course, the police commissioner for this area will be elected from an area far BIGGER than Stoke itself. The electoral area will in fact take in parts of the county that are even LESS inclined to vote for the BNP-and its much the same in all areas of the country.

Lets be quite clear: these so called elected police chiefs is a phenominally BAD policy. It was bad when Cameron proposed it in opposition (people like me hoped that he'd just drop it when he got to speak to the grown ups in the civil service. Perhaps he'd realise that politicising the police is a highly dangerous watershead in British history). It is still bad now. The arguments against it are simply overwhelming.

But I have to say, worrying about the BNP certainly isn't one of those reasons. Based on that argument, Labour would never have introduced a ridiculously undemocratic PR list system for EU elections-under the vagrancies of which the BNP have now actually WON saeats. Neither would they have introduced their silly elected mayors idea. I suspect that Rob Flello supports both of those Labour catastrophe's and would be happy to defend them?

Come on Rob. Stop being silly and come up with some decent arguments to defeat this bad legislation. Its not like there aren't plenty of them!!!

Rob Flello is so obsessed with the BNP it appears as he could be a closet BNP supporter

QUOTE "The British National Party had disastrous results in both the General and Local elections which resulted in the loss of many council seats around the country. They failed to achieve their coveted prize of an Member of Parliament."

Actually the BNP didn't do bad at all in the General Election, it was in the local elections that they was defeated.

You know, I for once in my life agree with Shaun. I don't think the BNP will be let. I don't think anyone will give a stuff about the politics of Elected Police Commisioners anyway, only looking at there views within the framework of the justice system. The BNP would soon be rooted out and ignored. If it was ran on a political bases, it would be a rather large are, one commisioner for police force, meaning that it would be on a Staffordshire wide basis, so I think one of the mager partie would hold that post, UKIP at a push. I don't like the idea of Elected Police Commisioners, we need the best people in that job, not some political lap dog.

LOL Rob Flello MP seriously you need to get a decent argument, you can't always rely on the Boogie BNP Man knocking at the window..

Whats this fool smoking, doesn't he know that Labour politicised the police, and civil service years ago.
God help us if this is the best he can come up with.

Very ture Ian, very true, and thats from a surporter of Rob, I could come up with a better argument myself about why this is a dreadful idear, top of the list is that we don't need polertics within the justace system, we need a stabel justice system, not one that could be altered on the whim of a vote.
And this is the last time I'll reponding to a guest, please give your name, the guest system we have hear will alow it. No mate, the BNP was cruched in May, both on a local level and countrywide, they acheaved not one thing. They lost many of there council seats, there leadership was totaly embarrised, one the the fools hear in this city, once thought of as a hot bed for the BNP. Everything the BNP wanted to gain or hold, they lost. Next time WE WILL RID THIS CITY OF THE BNP, without Robs help, becouse we will see them off the council ourselfs.

Terry, what bollocks, the police were politicised under Thatcher or have you forgotten the miner's strike?

I think the police have always remaind free of the dirtyness of politics, and long may it stay like that. Take a look at the US system that works like what is being propossed, riddeled with coruption. We don't need to go down that route. Look, I'm on a better footing then Rob on this subject even now.

I doubt any decentor indecent BNP Member of Parliament would make his most loyal workers 're-apply' for their own jobs.
Labour my arse.

Gary, you need to move on and get over it mate. You might like to run for police bossman. Then again, knowing your track record, you'd want the remove the police power of arrest and let mose of the crims go after doing 10 hour in the nik. It would be a good job that you would do the same you do in every other open election you have ever ran in.

Could an interpreter please tell me what waran is on about.

The danger is that this will lead to policing by opinion poll. Pandering to the mob is no way of keeping order in society - remember the morons so incensed by the murder of Jamie Bulger they wanted to murder the children responsible?

Some times we need saving from ourselves. If you introduce an element of electoral accountability into policing, how will anyone without a rabid right wing agenda stand a chance?
Hello voters, I'm Tony Johnson and I'm committed to fewer jails and offender rehabilitation. Hello voters, I'm Terry Turbo and I'm committed to hitting the bastards hard...

I don't want the false choice of Robocop A or Robocop B. Where does this bullshit end - shall we have a referendum on what's for dinner tonight?

What up with you now Gary, the only reason you can not read my post is that you don't like what I'm saying, so I'll put it in plane English. GET THE F**K DOWN OUT OF YOUR OWN BACKSIDE, EVREY TIME YOU HAVE RAN FOR ELECTED OFFICE ON A OPEN BASIS, YOU HAVE F**KED IT UP.

Does this mean that I have to agree with those I disagree with then?
I disagree with your absurd point that I have to be nice or agree with someone I have the utmost contempt for.
The general rule is that of the 650 MPs out there, all 650 of them are described as good MPs.
Absurd people suggest that everything they do is oh, so good also.
It's not hard for a detestable Labour MP to throw his accusers of his trail by doing doing all things Socialist.
Having workers re-apply for their own jobs is neither good or Socialist.
You can dress shit up all you like Waren, and you can dress it up like something you find in a perfume store, but I'd prefer your shoes to step in it rather than mine.
If you need an interpretation of actually what I am sying or writing, it is F*** You.

Where on earth do you get the impression that I am 'anti Labour'.

I'll repeat to you and anyone else what I always say publicy:

I LOVE THE LABOUR PARTY.

I'm afraid you've been reading the wrong script.

Gary, sorry for my outburst, but in todays world it is not unknow for people to have to reappliy for there own jobs. The sutuation I think was becouse of a change in the expensises paid out to MPs, and would have been something that Rob himself would have very little power within. I agree with Tony, you stop the anti Labour stance, I'll stop the digs about you record of insulting the people of the South of the City and your peformance at the polls and lets try and get on. Both of us seem to agree that Rob is going about it in not the right way hear. So, we have a chance to put another view, not try to kick each other in the nuts. Again sorry.

I believe there's a dividing line. Are they our masters or our servants? With the odd exception (miner's strike, New Age travellers, Exodus) they are usually our servants. The thin blue line against some pretty dark forces.

As much as I love 'em though, I will reserve the right to slag 'em off! Damn that free society!

I agree with some on here, who will also be largely old enough to know what I mean by 'stuck record'. That is what Rob is like with his BNP obsession, I've heard him say things like that for years. It's usually along those lines, he disagrees with something and says if it gets implemented the BNP gets power, or he wants to push something and says if it doesn't go that way the BNP will get power. I really don't get why it is that he feels so threatened by them. He may be scared by them but I can't see that other people, aside from a certain element within labour, generally are. It really is an awfully weak argument. I think even Teresa May from her answer is getting rather tired of Rob harping on about the BNP. At least her answer is based on data.

Nicky, I have to disagree.

Some of us are obsessed by the BNP because Hitler sneaked to power when others weren't watching. I use that analogy on purpose. To constantly oppose them (stuck record or not) is a duty I owe my as yet unborn grandchildren.

Having elected commissioners runs the danger of the police adhering to a populist agenda than that of upholding the law impartially. Although I know since they stopped allegedly openly harassing ethnic minorities certain people have stopped believing them to be impartial.

I don't know where this idea they are public servants comes from, as I understand it they serve the Crown. If they were truly "public servants" no-one would be arrested as they would not be serving that individual. The police, like the judiciary and other "public" functions need to kept out of the hands of elected officials so that these functions are not compromised by political or other agendas.

There you go, another fine point aganst elected officials in the police sirvice for David, without bringing to BNP into it at all. Yes Tony we need to expose them for what they are, but not to a point that it seem obsesive.

Well done fat boy Flello for all the advertising you have given the BNP with your stupid mouth.
Alongside the mug that banned Nick Griffin from the palace the BNP could not buy that sort of publicity.
With that other fool in London the BNP can only get stronger.

Well, "Terry", it's not exactly hard to be stronger than the BNP currently are given the hammering they just took, is it?

Any need for personal insults Terry.

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Obsessive Warren? So to not allow racist cretins the right to masquerade their ridiculous beliefs as genuine politics is obsessive?

Am I truly better than anyone because I was born white, caucasian and male?

We are allowed to debate all and any politics Ian. Indeed, some of us don't even seek permission or approval.

There is a common attitude amongst many of a right wing slant whereby they see any opposition to their views as a personal insult. Our own, dear terry turbo often falls into that trap.

Warren, Flello is one of Nu-Labour Blairs puppets that alongside Whalley have sat on their backsides while this area as slid into the gutter, and then has the gaul to warn us of the bogeymen.
Tonyjohnt, "There is a common attitude amongst many of a right wing slant whereby they see any opposition to their views as a personal insult".
A bit hypocritical don't you think given that you attack the right wing thinkers with Nazi's, cretins, and Fool.
I am what I am politicaly because of Nu-Labour, and Tory spineless politicians.
Also I hate bullys and thugs in any form.
Labour were masters in this.

There you go again Terry. If I shout you down I'm a bully and a thug. How can you support a brand of politics that tells people where, on this ball of dust we're all clinging to, they have a right to live - without being anything other than a bully and a thug?

To quote Bob Dylan:
"Remember you're better than no-one
And no-one is better than you".

Tonyjohnt, I did not accuse you personaly of being a bully or a thug.
Quite where you have "shouted me down" I don't know.
Where in "my brand of politics does it state that someone has not got the right to live"?
The statement of "thugs and bullys" comes from the young lady arrested for reading the names of the dead in Blairs illegal war, the pensioner manhandled out of a Labour party conferance, supporting the violence of the UAF, ect ect ect.

Lifes a bitch then you die.

Is it possible for Terry to post a comment without mentioning UAF violence or illegal wars? Every comment has these thrown in for good measure. Just to put your mind at rest Terry, Afghanistan is not an illegal war, it has a UN resolution to back it up and NATO forces are fighting in support of the Afghan forces and government.

I know Afghanistan is not considered an illegal war, does that make it right.
Our lads are dying because a lieing lapdog of an American nutjob bowed down to him.
Iraq was a debacle and Afghanistan just followed on with men and women dying because of lack of proper equipment.
As for NATO forces fighting, when was the last time anyone other than British forces were going home in bodybags.
Blair, Brown ,and Cameron should all serve six months on the front line to see what our lads are dying for.
But hey cowards love standing at the back shouting.
As for bringing the violence of the UAF up, I'm sorry I did not know this was a banned subject.
Is it only the BNP, EDL, ect that can be criticised?

sorry it should read.
Our lads are dying because a lieing lapdog bowed down to an American nutjob.

Having invaded them and bombed them back to the stone age, do you reckon we owe them anything Terry?

Just walk away whistling? Remember the Reality Gap?

How did elected Police Commisioners get us to the war in Afghanistan?

It's a weird site, this! Damn you terry turbo!

Blame the very rich B-liar and the rest of those spineless bastards that murdered thousands of Iraqi citzens, and hundreds of our boys and girls.
They should face a war crimes trial not make money out of it.
Labour MPs are backtracking so fast its headspinning stateing they did not think it was right.
Drag them in front of the judge as well.
Iraq, and Afghanistan peoples do not want us sticking our nose into their affairs, and would throw up a big cheer if we got out of their lives.
Pakistan has been the big winner in this conflict.
It get a mug (England) to pay it £millions and then pays the Taliban to kill our troops, and that piece of yellow sh** (boy Blair Cameron) wants to pay them more.
And lets not menion the expences scandal thats still costing us £millions.

Well Terry, you've got more chance of me plaitting snot than defending Blair.

These dirty wars would've gone ahead regardless. They transcend petty party politics.

We are all mushrooms - kept in the dark and fed a load of bullshit.

Tonyjohnt, I don't expect you to defend Blair I know how you feel about him.
Totaly agree about the mushrooms.

We back in love then?

I'm off out to cause trouble up Town - read Monday's Sentinel!

I think Bliar's entitlement to security provided by the state should be means tested. After all, the rest of us are subject to means testing for all sorts of things, so why with all that dosh shouldn't he be? I think we'd find he can actually afford it himself.

Eliza Manningham-Buller said she told the government before the invasion that Saddam Hussein posed no threat to Britain and there was no intelligence to justify the war.

Lady Manningham-Buller explained how the Iraq war had produced what she called a fresh impetus of people prepared to engage in terrorism.

So blair ignored advice and now wants protection? we all want protection..

Nicky, means testing is only for the peasants.
Him and his child cancer money thieving wife I hope go bankrupt or at least face criminal proceedings and get what they deserve.
every dog as its day.

Site_Admin - while you are 'patching' and stuff - whatever that means - have you noticed that if you click on someone's comment from the comment list in the middle column, such as Terry's above, it won't go there if the story, like this one, runs to more than one page. It just goes to the first page. Any fix for that?