Government Cuts Hit Ethnic Communities In Stoke-on-Trent

Good.
There's far too much public money going into these bloody bme communities.
Why is it our responsibility to educate these people, surely that's a job for their own government?
And why do they have to have their own classes, are the native people not up to their standards?

This pandering to the immigrants has been going on for far too long, let them join everyone else, or let them fund their own education, swimming, communities, etc.

Should make Terry & Craig a little happier.

The education cuts are across the board so having a story about cuts to BME education is merely this site trying to get debate going as they know the kind of response it'll get from the PCF love-in, followed by responses to them. We could argue that adult literacy and numeracy should be stopped, after all, if they couldn't learn it when they were at school, why should we pay extra for them to get a second chance?

In my opinion -for what its worth- no group should be given priority over another, as this only creates division.
Quite why it should affect me in any way I don't know?
There will be cuts in all sectors so why should anyone be protected from them because of race, colour, or creed?

You might have known the response this would get from certain quarters,
and yet, these will be the very same people who you will hear coming out with remarks and comments such as, "they should at least learn to speak English" and "they make no attempt to learn about our culture or ways" "their women are prevented from getting an education" etc,
and yet, here we have a project addressing those issues, and the hatemonger rub their hands in glee when they hear it's being cut,
it only goes to further illustrate the twisted way in which these people 'think'
next they will come back and expect up to believe that it's about the 'cost' and it has nothing at all to do with 'race',
SAVE your time and energy ok? don't bother,

Craig, let you in on something mate, they are British, or at the very least they have come to this country legally, this is there government.

If I read it right in the Sentinel these courses are not being stopped, just moved to Cauldon or Burslem campus, and the ladies are saying their husbands won't allow them to go to mixed sex lessons.
That is realy not our problem is it?

I must disagree with your views on that David, weaknesses in such things as Maths and English are a real problem in the adult population, I think classes. free or subsidised in them should stay. Never needed them myself, but I have seen people come on leaps and bounds with them, and just to put the record straight here, from more than one race. Use of Computer classes are important to. You can't use a computer in the work place now, your struggling.

All this crap about bloody flower arranging, sodding sowing, bake your own bloody cake, painting peoples damned nails, hanging bloody hooks for beginners, that's the sort of bloody stuff to kick in the head. You want to do that, you should pay for it and the full amount to.

And if that's the case Terry, no, its not, and we need to set up a new course of 'How To Drag Your Husbands Backside Into The 21st Century For Beginners.'

Warren, spot on, but if I had said that someone would have jumped all over me.
You cannot have equality if you treat once person differant than another.

I know Terry, we have got common ground her. I don't like or agree with a persons freedoms being removed by some backword thinking load of garbbage like some religus doctren.

Taj Bibby said "It is very sad. We were based around the community, in places like Cobridge, Shelton, Hanley and Longton. Places where people could easily get to."

Isn't the Cauldon College Based in Shelton (just down road from Hanley) and courses in Normacot, Longton are to continue ? is there a problem?

Im with David Perry, Warren and Terry on this, its a none story.

any local education cuts will affect the whole community.

Warren flower arranging, cookery, are all ways of engaging with communities and are no less worthy then a math course (to be able to measure weigh recipes you need to get used to numbers and maths), it no different then using sports to engage with young people.

It the same with futher education for 16 to 18 year olds. There are things that would be better done in a working enviroment. Take Hair Dressing, best place to learn to do that, in a Salon, same with that nail art b****ks, get the crap out of mainstreem education at 16+. The beatey industry- if you can call it that- needs skilled workers, they train them, simpel as that. To a large extent,you could do it with catering to, best way to cook, get yourself in a kitchen, teach food higeye on the job as well.
We don't need wood-be hair crimmpers, nail whateveryoucallthems and chefs at collage, what you need at collage are youngsters want to move up, willing to learn whats inportant, and cliping someones locks an't inportant, not to the country anyway. And yes Tony, IT is about the most inportant think there is to teach today, I work, doing lots of stuff, in a supermarkett, but the main thing is, I'm useing a computer, be it a till, cctv deck, stock hand held, lap top, desk top, printer. I use them all the time, all day every day. I'm lucky, I have a nack with them, but it needs teaching, if you don't know how to use one day, your soon flat on your back.

And one point to Mr. Pond, I would think many of the people your and others so delightfully refer to a Mussies are in fact of Pakistani origin. Pakistan was created in 1947, as was East Pakistan, since 1972 known as Bangladesh, as a homeland for Indian Muslims. Until that point they were part of India,therefore apart of the commonwealth, also known as the British Empire. The British Empire, vast parts of the world that were invaded by our lovely forbears, who milked these countries dry of most things of value and indeed enslaved many of the native people. when slavery was abolished in the 19th century, no matter, they just kept them, paid them a pittance and called the servants. India stood by us in the World Wars, many people of that brave country died.
Now how did they get hear then, they came over hear at the time India split into whats know now as the Indian subcontinent, because they were allowed to if they wanted, or they came over and worked there asses off, like the West Indians, in the late 50s and early 60s,in jobs 'da whitemon' didn't really want to do, much like the Poles now, they came hear and worked there backsides off when no one hear wanted to get off theirs. So think on Mr. Pond, they have every right to call themselves British and to be in this country. Don't hide the fact tey treat women like s**t at times, and that sould bloody well stop.
Hear enduth the lesson for today, and I'm now going to watch a few more episodes of Sons of Anarchy on DVD, its bloody good you know?

The Real Story
But with many lecturers and support staff leaving this summer, it will have a knock-on effect for adult learners who want to sign up for classes in September.
About 30 courses will either be scrapped altogether or offered on a full-cost basis.
And this could hit people on low incomes the hardest, as they will no longer be able to have their fees paid if they take these classes.
Subjects affected include computing, law and languages.

But as David said that story wont have got you lot so worked up..

We are constantly told "we are ALL in this together" to clear the nations debt (with cost cutting measures - in this case moving venue) - so does ALL not include the ethnic minorities?

Wots mean by that George, in a nutshell, its true, but I take your point. If I was in the classroom, they would never vote BNP again, or bake a cake, paint a nail, cut a bloody dove-tale joint, anything like that...lol

Well done George, or well done me, thats what I was baseing the post on.

And to Ian's point about cake bakeing or sticking flowers in things being a good way to form a communaty sprit. So is haveing a cup of Tea and a chat, and a bit of cake if you have it, baked yourself or brought from Tesco. I indeed find this better, as you get s better mix, not all with the same interests sticking in clics. I like a bit of orange peel and a few crushed nuts in a cake to.

Warren, are you getting commission from Tesco for all this advertising dude LOL.

No...lol.

We all knew that there would be cuts - had to be cuts and we all knew it would not be easy or particularly pleasant. Various groups banging on about how it's going to affect them will not help the matter - if some courses get reinstated because of whining whatevers then something else ( possibly more beneficial to the whole) will have to go instead.
Cooking should be taught at home - or could even be learned from books or the internet. As for such trivialities as nail art, flower arranging and making sugar decorations ( I kid you not)these are pretty pointless things designed to keep people busy and encourage social interaction as much as anything else.
I was recently searching around for a course to take and everything on offer was pointless and petty. I ended up sending off for a prospectus which has still not arrived.
This should be a time of refinement - of cutting the crap and reinforcing the good. I hope it works out that way.

There are some things that should be left for the parents to deal with - cooking and basic DIY ( changing fuses, washers and suchlike) fall into this category.
Flower arranging and photography for fun( like birdwatching and stamp collecting ) are hobbies and don't merit a course.
Common sense should be taught everywhere.

Designation WWCW, didn't we use to teach cooking,woodwork, metalwork and other subjects to the children?
What the hell are they teaching in schools.
Surely those that could learn these subjects in school could pass them on to their parents?
Plus we have a free library,with free computer use.
What more do you need?
Some people need to take control of their lives.

No Ian, I'm talking very local hear, over the garden fence, at the gate, in someones house. On with the Kettell, one suger or two, out with the cream cakes and a bloody good chat. Works round hear, get lots of stuff sorted out for the RA like that, costs a small furtune in tea bags- witch I don't drink- and Jaffa cakes mind. Get to know the folks around you, you get a commuerty spirt that way allright, best way do it.

He's off advertising bloody tesco cream cakes again, I'm sure he's on commission.LOL
I hope you dclare it on your tax returns LOL
Designation WWCW, I let in 65 and up till then they were compulsary, hated metalwork but loved woodwork.
It gave me the skills I have today in DIY.
This -in my opinion- is missing, practical skills, Woodwork, Metalwork,Cooking, Sewing,ect ect.
Add to this Plumbing, Bricklaying, Engineering, Science,and IT.
Other countries prepare their children for life whereas our children for a long time have been leaving school with major problems in numeracy, and literacy.

Did I say anything about Cream Cakes comeing from Tesco, no. They do, but only becouse I get a 10% discount....lol. As for IT, look I'm doing my bit, Doreens comeing on leeps and bounds, sending e-mails and all sorts she is, even got her doing her shoping on line, gess who from. Rid us of Cake Bakeing and Decorateting and other waste of times, chuck it at IT, English and Maths. Skills we can all use.

Tony and Mike grab Warren for some of that advertising money hes getting 10%, or at least mug the bugger for them cream cakes for a raffle. LOL
Thats why he does not like the cake baking its competition. LOL

Anyone comes round here for a brew is going to get an eyefull of IT - that's for sure. Still having problems convincing a certain councillor that he can do it though !
Terry - we did very little - I remember making an awful skirt, shepherd's pie, lemon curd and eggs mornay - that was about it. Girls did not get the option of metalwork or woodwork. The Domestic science teacher was miserable and obese and I had an allergic reaction to some cleaning fluid. Learned much more from helping Mum.
My own kids got to make pizza (from packaged ingredients)

I should also add that they can now do rather well - including wine-making, making cheese and butter, cakes, pies and biscuits etc etc.
I am not a fan of packaged foods and have a real issue with "cheese of indeterminate origin"

Designation WWCW, you are good at wine making?
Now thats something (along with Jam making)I have not quite mastered, after sending the boss (wife) into orbit when 6 bottles of rhubarb went all over the kitchen ceiling, and walls.
It looked like a scene out of freddie's Return, LOL.
You will have to impart some of your secrets.
I'm into superfruits Goji, Aronia, and Honey berry's.
The effects of the Goji are driving my missus mad because of their aphrodisical effects.
Back to the debate.
We should give our kids a better start into working life with some training in the skills previously mentioned.

I get my wine from Tesco...lol.... when the wine festavels are on, real saveings to be had with a magic card at the tills. They keep the good stuff aside till staff have had a butchers what they want, then its clink, clink, clink to the clock at end of shift with bag fulls of the stuff.

As for your question Terry, at 16, a kid sould have a good idea, with a bit of guideance from teathers, what they want to do. They want to cut hair, off to a Salon, paint nails, whereever they paint nails, cook, off you go to a pro kitchen, pluming, plastering, brickiy, on the building site if you can find one round hear. Now if they want to know how to knock stuff down and leave a pile of shit, just send them up to Hanley, fine exsampels of that old shit going on there. Footballer, send them up Vale Park, first team in no time. Shop Assistant, send them Asda, then we will have them later and show them how to do it right. Army, no probs, off to a cedet set up to see if they are the right stuff.
Now if they say doctor, nurse, the law, copper, anything like that, pack the buggers off to collage and get them learning more, simpel.

Tony, come on he's advertising the bloody wine now, he must have a bad back picking his wage's up LOL.
Joking aside, totaly agree with you Warren, but thats common sense and thats been missing a long time, thats why we have fallen so far behind other countries.
Designation WWCW, you've got your own work force lol.
As for the wine making, the wife says if I even think of going down that road again she will as well.
Wheres me kit LOL.
This is what I can't understand people can see the benefit of practical skills taught to our youngsters, but our politicians can't?
Have our politicians done this deliberately, or are they that stupid to let these skills slide away.
Because even though we live in computer dominated age,the basic skills are still needed.

I see it this way - every job we can do for ourselves ( or know someone who will do it as a favour) takes money/work from someone else. Ultimately big business ( and government) profits from ordinary people being generally clueless - add to that changes in regulations that mean people aren't allowed to do things for themselves( as an example - the Council fitted a new light in my bathroom it takes an energy saving tube-type bulb. If the bulb goes I'm not allowed to change it - I have to arrange for a workman to come and do it for me. Supposedly just in case I decide that sticking my finger in the socket whilst standing in a sink full of water might be a good idea.)
They know what they are doing and they have reasons for doing it. They want everyone dependent.

Designation WWCW, power to your elbow gal, pity more people don't do the same.
Thought about the light plug many times myself LOL.